tag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:/discussions/feedback/1107-free-limited-version-for-yosemite-and-onwardGPGTools: Discussion 2022-02-22T14:15:47Ztag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/352639472014-12-21T16:31:37Z2014-12-21T16:31:37ZFree limited version for Yosemite and onward?<div><p>Hi Allen,</p>
<p>thanks for bringing up this concern with us. We are aware of
this situation and have spend some time thinking about this. We do
not have a solution yet.</p>
<p>Besides the fact that we are going for a small fee that
<em>should</em> be affordable (the last thing we want is to scare
away new users from this important technology), there's also the
free Thunderbird / Enigmail combo or the option to use the less
comfortable GPGServices in combination with Mail.app.</p>
<p>We'll have to see where this goes. It's on our plate and we are
aware.</p>
<p>All the best,<br>
steve</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/352639472014-12-23T15:05:30Z2014-12-23T15:05:31ZFree limited version for Yosemite and onward?<div><p>Hey All,</p>
<p>I just wanted to say, even before I start using this product and
am about to download it, I don't believe in "Cripple Ware" so
please don't do a limited release of that sort. Encryption and
Security are a serious issue for all of us and the work you do is
critical. I've not needed PGP for awhile, I've used other means,
put I now need a PGP system and have been on the hunt for a MAC
based product to implement across all of my OS X systems.</p>
<p>Yes, with the open source code and the correct expertise we
could go out and write our on code. We could sponge off of the hard
work of groups like yours that spend their time and resources
developing products for the MAC community, hoping enough people
donate to their enterprise. Or we could even donate to those people
and help them along until they realize that they can't continue to
sacrifice while so many don't contribute.</p>
<p>I say that you guys have the best product I have seen on the
market for the MAC. The big commercial providers of encryption have
MAC products but it is a secondary option, not a primary focus. So
for those companies and individuals that are MAC heavy with only a
few Windows or Linux systems for special needs, you seem to be the
primary choice. Going commercial and taking your solution to those
people, yes me, may take you into the realm of mulch-tiered
products that can support the mulch-tiered pricing discussed so
often here. Most companies have student pricing, once they validate
that the user is a student. They also have qty pricing and other
pricing models.</p>
<p>I highly recommend you look at Adobe for their model. It is
pretty useful. Also, even though it is not exactly good on the
homeside, the pricing on the commercial side for encryption of
symyntac has a good methodology. They are a bit higher than what
you need to do, and you are not geard towards "end to end"
encryption, YET! But don't limit yourselves, there are people out
there that need that and want it. Consider that a feature
request!</p>
<p>So go out there! Make some cash, get a business plan, ensure you
are incorporated, I did not see that on your site. You need to make
sure you protect your interest and have it all set up correctly. If
you have that, you need to put that in an "about" on your
otherwise, very nice web page. You can stay a non profit, and
charge for your product without any issue. Make your goals clear
and use your money to spread the encryption capabilities of
all.</p>
<p>I will rate your product shortly. If you can't tell, I support
your decision!</p></div>Drewtag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/352639472014-12-23T16:58:42Z2014-12-23T16:58:43ZFree limited version for Yosemite and onward?<div><p>I'd like to make the case for a free binary. Not some limited
version, in time nor functionality, no. Free full version binaries,
period. It can only serve to make the user base, both GPGTools and
encryption in general, larger and does not need to cause any extra
burden on the project.</p>
<p>As I said in another thread, I do understand the need to make
support of this project paid only. In addition to development,
providing support takes time and is not free. Some people may think
everything in the internet is free, but its not. So I encourage you
to make support a paid extra. Support should not be a free for all.
Public forums, a.k.a. community support and FAQs are free, but
personal support can reasonably be expected to cost money.</p>
<p>But, paid binaries may not bring in the money for the project.
In fact it may do the complete opposite. People may just walk away
from encrypting instead of paying for it. As said elsewhere
recently, people want safe communications, not usable crypto. If
people have the option of getting their emails encrypted for free,
in a usable manner, they might just do it. But if they need to pay
for it? For something not that many do now for free? Maybe, maybe
not.</p></div>Ville Määttätag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/352639472014-12-23T17:17:54Z2014-12-23T17:17:55ZFree limited version for Yosemite and onward?<div><p>Ville,</p>
<p>Yes, that is a point, but how do you get there without a valid
business model to support the programers and developers working on
it? The entire concept of PGP being free started in 1991, and we
have progressed to what? The corporate world is encrypted, and pay
a huge sum of money for it, to many of the same founding companies
and people that started PGP. McAfee and Symantec were part of the
"Free" movement and couldn't make it work. They had to change,
unfortunately they got bought out by people more focused on making
money than making security and both have suffered, and McAffee's
mental issues don't help!</p>
<p>The recent move by many people to make SSL/TLS more ubiquitous
will help. I applaud the FFF and their partners for the upcoming
launch of <a href=
"https://letsencrypt.org/">https://letsencrypt.org/</a>. This
should help a lot of servers that are insecure as well as users get
SSL/TLS up certificates up and running that can't afford the
current cost of certificates. The current issues with Sony may also
help with total network encryption as well. One of the major
weaknesses we have now in our infrastructure.</p>
<p>A programmer needs to make a living, and you either need to
encrypt and take precautions, or you will be at risk. It is the
modern door locking. The tools and capabilities are free so if you
don't want to pay for it, make it yourself.</p></div>Drewtag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/352639472014-12-23T18:37:14Z2014-12-23T18:37:15ZFree limited version for Yosemite and onward?<div><p><code>Yes, that is a point, but how do you get there without a
valid business model to support the programers and developers
working on it?</code></p>
<p>Valid business model was very much the point I was making.</p>
<p><code>The entire concept of PGP being free started in 1991, and
we have progressed to what?</code></p>
<p>Oh we have progressed quite a bit. To an actual OpenPGP standard
in fact instead of a single implementation like PGP.</p>
<p><code>The corporate world is encrypted, and pay a huge sum of
money for it…</code></p>
<p>By what measure? My subjective experience says corporate world
doesn't use OpenPGP much more than individuals.</p>
<p><code>…, to many of the same founding companies and people
that started PGP. McAfee and Symantec were part of the "Free"
movement and couldn't make it work. They had to change,
unfortunately they got bought out by people more focused on making
money than making security and both have suffered, and McAffee's
mental issues don't help!</code></p>
<p>There are commercial OpenPGP implementations. But they and their
possible shareware-or-whatever versions certainly are not the
be-all-end-all of free OpenPGP. GPGTools in fact is based on GnuPG,
not PGP. I don't know what you're referring to with "the "Free"
movement" but GPGTools is part of an ecosystem built around a FOSS
implementation of OpenPGP that has been making it work quite
well.</p>
<p><code>The recent move by many people to make SSL/TLS more
ubiquitous will help. I applaud the FFF and their partners for the
upcoming launch of https://letsencrypt.org/.</code></p>
<p>It's a great project but a little off topic. But a nice project
anyway. And it's EFF that is behind it. Which reminds me that Mac
is not MAC. Don't kill the messenger, but the two are quite
different things.</p>
<p><code>…The current issues with Sony may also help with
total network encryption as well. One of the major weaknesses we
have now in our infrastructure.</code></p>
<p>Hopefully someone learns to encrypt their emails from Sony's
example. But "total network encryption", or encryption of
everything as sometimes called for, is not actually a goal to
necessarily strive for.</p>
<p><code>A programmer needs to make a living…</code></p>
<p>Oh I know, I'm trying to make a living as one.</p>
<p><code>The tools and capabilities are free so if you don't want
to pay for it, make it yourself.</code></p>
<p>That's a weird comment. Currently old versions of GPGTools and a
Beta are free. The tools that GPGTools is built on are free and
open source tools. Which I use btw, I only use the GPGMail from
this project. As for "make it yourself", I might. Or someone else
might very well if do it. If you are referring to the source code
then yes, we can build it ourselves as long as that source is
provided in a timely manner.</p></div>Ville Määttä