tag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:/discussions/problems/251-gpgmail-updates-webGPGTools: Discussion 2018-10-18T19:52:35Ztag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-26T13:00:13Z2011-12-26T13:00:13ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>We, and I think I can speak for the whole team are very well
aware of this. We try to release minor updates as soon as possible
and often are doing this. GPGMail is being worked on heavily. The
reason we don't push it every week is that currently some things
get rewritten all the time. Then they have to be tested again etc.
So instead of releasing often and (maybe) breaking thing often as
well, we try to provide somewhat stable alphas instead at the cost
of not releasing every week - which also would be extremely time
intensive and we are all doing this in our free time so that factor
is a bit limited.</p>
<p>But since I agree, I created a ticket for GPGMail 2.0a19 to be
put on our homepage :)</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-26T13:01:12Z2011-12-26T13:01:12ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>ticket created</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-26T22:19:45Z2011-12-26T22:19:45ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Added a19 to the web page, but we will not offer it via auto
update. The next versions will (hopefully) get published more often
;)</p></div>Alextag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-26T22:48:38Z2011-12-26T22:48:38ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p>Thanks a lot. As I mentioned to steve in the earlier mail: I do
very much appreciate what you're doing. It just would be cool if
you could do something like "nightly" builds… without any
support.</p>
<p>I totally agree that auto-update should only be run on stable
releases.</p>
<p>BTW: a19… Really? a4 was deserving the "alpha"-Flag. a19
is - as far as I see it - pretty much beta or even
RC-candidate…</p>
<p>It's stable, it doesn't crash Apple Mail any more, it doesn't
hang Apple Mail… Come on… Most other software shipped
by a tiny little company in redmond would be SP1 at that stage
;-)</p>
<p>Tobias</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-26T22:49:52Z2011-12-26T22:49:52ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>First of all: Thanks for your fast reply.</p>
<p>I totally agree with you that alpha software shouldn't be pushed
every day. And I personally really appreciate the effort you and
all the other guys are taking. I would just love to have the
possibility to download "nightly" builds to test them myself.</p>
<p>I totally agree that support should not be given on nightly
builds because that won't help anyone and would be consuming much
more time…</p>
<p>I do not participate on the mailinglist because I too have very
little resources and by knowing what it means to manage a very
large mailing list I (for the moment) hesitate whether I should add
my address or not…</p>
<p>I can't contribute too much since I'm no developer. At least I'm
not that kind of developer you'd like to work with…. :-)</p>
<p>Tobias</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-27T01:06:32Z2011-12-27T01:06:32ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi Tobias!</p>
<p>Thanks for all the kind words!<br>
There are still a few important features missing for the beta
release, in a19<br>
especially the actual strings for error messages, but we wanted to
release it<br>
because it fixes a lot of issues the a4 was still suffering
from.</p>
<p>Once the beta is out changes to the core of the code will be
very small and we'll be able to start nightlys (even though we
still have to find a server which will generate them or do it
ourselves once a day), but it might not make too much sense since
due to lack of time work on GPGMail is happening mostly in blocks
rather than little fixes every day.</p>
<p>We always welcome suggestions of any nature so feel free to tell
us whatever bugs you or what you'd do the enhance the user
experience even more!</p></div>Luke Letag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-27T15:08:53Z2011-12-27T15:08:53ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Tobias, thanks for your feedback. It's appreciated!</p>
<p>First, maybe you want to subscribe to the devel mailing list?
It's not that much traffic and since you seem to use apple mail you
can always work with mail rules and move everything related to that
list in a specific folder so it doesn't interfere or bother with
your other work/private mail. That is the best place to get notice
of early alpha builds. nighlies as Luke pointed out don't really
make that much sense. It might happen that 2 weeks nothing happens
and then sth is being worked on from 3 people at the same time.</p>
<p>Next: why wouldn't we want to work with you? ;) If you want to
contribute just go ahead. We'll be happy to offer all the help you
need getting into this and I'm sure we could find a nice little
task to start with also if you want, why not have a look at the
ticket system and see if there is something that fits your
abilities and that you'd like to have a look at.</p>
<p>If that's not cool we can always need help improving the wiki
documentation or screencasts ect ect pp pp and so on :)</p>
<p>So if you are interested drop us a line.</p>
<p>Enjoy your holidays,<br>
steve</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-27T18:07:31Z2011-12-27T18:07:31ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Apple-Mail-Rules? Nope. Procmail :-)</p>
<p>I could provide you with the following:</p>
<p>1st) Test-experience: I'm using Mac OS X for leisure as for work
- and apple mail is one of the mail readers I do use daily.<br>
2nd) Mirror-Site: I run a lab at home having 14tb net disk
space… and I still have some left.<br>
The webserver is backed by a reverse proxy sitting at a gbit link -
so this could be a very fast mirror… :-)<br>
3rd) Wiki, docu - yes, but… I'm quite busy with work and
helping a friend (and helping my wife… junior will come in
half a year :-) )<br>
but… why not?</p>
<p>I have already subscribed to the devel mailinglist…</p>
<p>Tobias</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T03:00:38Z2011-12-28T03:00:38ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi, this may seem like a dumb question, but how does one
discover which version of GPGMail is installed and in use? I have a
MacBook Air running Lion 10.7.2 with Apple Mail version 5.1
(1251/1251.1) and with GPGTools version 20111224 installed. I'm
only able to sign a new email message when using Apple Mail (the
lock icon is always ghosted out). Thank you for your efforts, its
sad that Apple makes life so difficult for developers to add extras
to Mail (at least with Safari its possible to develop extensions).
btw, I used to use a NeXT Cube and way back in the day there was a
developer who created a PGP plugin for NeXTMail and my guess is
that Apple Mail is a derivative of NeXTMail.</p></div>Eddietag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T07:26:13Z2011-12-28T07:26:13ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi,</p>
<p>Mail.app > Preferences > GPGMail. On the left side you see
the version. Just click on "Check Now" - this should install the
latest version (a21).</p>
<p>Best regards, Alex</p></div>Alextag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T12:37:12Z2011-12-28T12:37:12ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi all.</p>
<p>@Eddie: pls don't hijack other threads ;) Next time just create
a new one. Else it's somewhat difficult to keep track of the
topic.</p>
<p>@Tobias: Sry, I don't know procmail at all. Thought you were an
apple mail user since you run our tools. Or are you using
encryption with procmail?</p>
<p>Not sure if we need a mirror site. I brought this up in an
internal discussion. For now: thanks for this kind offer.</p>
<p>I'll mail you for the documentation thingy :)</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T12:46:44Z2011-12-28T12:46:44ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>I run a lab@home providing mail, webspace, etc. for about 450
people. privateers, open-source-people are for free, some people
with special needs (development network with windows servers) have
to pay...</p>
<p>One of my customers is feeding in about 40'000 mails per day
containing SLA-Measurement-Data.</p>
<p>Procmail is a unix mail mangling engine... so I sort mails
directly on the server :-)</p>
<p>This way I don't have to first download all mails in the client
and then let the client sort them - i let my server sort the
messages upon arrival :-)</p>
<p>I do have a os x server and all workstations @home are macs
(including the machine of my wife). I'm one of those apple
customers where the 5-machine-limitation is a limitation for
real... at current i have an imac, 3 mac minis, a MBP13 (business),
a MBA11 sitting on my desk :-)</p>
<p>Tobias</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T13:07:48Z2011-12-28T13:07:48ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>I wanna visit your home :P</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T13:09:07Z2011-12-28T13:09:07ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>feel free :-)</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T13:10:06Z2011-12-28T13:10:06ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><blockquote>
<p>I do have a os x server</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I would love to have a GPGTools build server on this machine
(Buildbot)</p></div>Alextag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T13:15:57Z2011-12-28T13:15:57ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p>You can choose between the following:</p>
<ul>
<li>Mac Mini Server, 4GB Memory</li>
<li>Mac Pro Server, 2GB Memory (but has a Xeon CPU).</li>
</ul>
<p>The mac pro would be uniquely for you, the mac mini server is my
calendaring-server :-9</p>
<p>Your choice :-)</p>
<p>Tobias</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T15:40:13Z2011-12-28T15:40:13ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Wow, that'd be pretty swell! Also a way to build nightlies.<br>
Are you running os x 10.6? Then we could compile for ppc as
well.</p>
<p>Thank you very much already</p></div>Luke Letag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T15:41:57Z2011-12-28T15:41:57ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p>I have just loaded the Mac Pro Server into the trunk of my car -
I think I will install the machine during tomorrow and give you the
credentials for it...</p>
<p>Tobias</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T15:44:17Z2011-12-28T15:44:17ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi Luke,</p>
<p>The Mac Mini Server (unfortunately, I have to say) is running
10.7.3 Beta.</p>
<p>But I will set up the Mac Pro as 10.6 Server machine - so you
can do whatever you want to do with it ;-)</p>
<p>Tobias</p>
<p>P.S: Thanks also goes to Marc Mueller for providing the Hardware
(well, otherwise it's just stored in my basement and sits there
doing nothing :-) )</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T15:44:43Z2011-12-28T15:44:43ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi Luke, Again</p>
<p>Marc just told me that he'd also could provide a powermac
G5....</p>
<p>Tobias</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T15:55:20Z2011-12-28T15:55:20ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Man this is fantastic! could we also get some kind of vnc on
it?<br>
Would help for testing the ppc builds :)</p>
<p>Thank you so very much!</p></div>Luke Letag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T15:58:00Z2011-12-28T15:58:00ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Also, give our best to Marc too!</p></div>Luke Letag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T16:00:20Z2011-12-28T16:00:20ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Sure...</p>
<p>But I'd suggest you'd take the apple remote desktop app - is a
bit faster :-)</p>
<p>Tobias</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T20:15:52Z2011-12-28T20:15:52ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>I will :-)</p>
<p>Sent from my iPhone</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T20:39:41Z2011-12-28T20:39:41ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>My goal is to have build.gpgtools.org a bit similar to <a href=
"http://build.chromium.org">http://build.chromium.org</a> ...</p></div>Alextag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T22:02:51Z2011-12-28T22:02:51ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Looks nasty but also very informative :)</p></div>Luke Letag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T22:17:19Z2011-12-28T22:17:19ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p>I will set up the system tomorrow - by end of tomorrow (I live
in switzerland) you will have:</p>
<ul>
<li>A working OS X 10.6 Server</li>
<li>A working Account</li>
<li>Root Rights</li>
<li>VPN, SSH and VNC Access</li>
</ul>
<p>and</p>
<ul>
<li>I will set up the reverse proxy I have on a GBIT Interface
somewhere in the dark of the internet so that you can provide
download-links directly to the server system.</li>
</ul>
<p>The machine itself is sponsored by compination, Hosting Facility
is sponsered by me.</p>
<p>OK?</p>
<p>Tobias</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T22:21:57Z2011-12-28T22:21:57ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>What do you mean by "nasty"? :-)</p>
<p>Tobias</p></div>tobiastag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-28T22:23:54Z2011-12-28T22:23:54ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Completely bloated interface which is confusing to me :D, but
I'm pretty sure it's useful.<br>
The setup is seriously fantastic. Could you install TeamViewer
along with the VNC? I've been using it a lot lately and it works
like a charm</p></div>Luke Letag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/124031052011-12-29T02:03:31Z2011-12-29T02:03:31ZGPGMail Updates (web)<div><p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p>Can you contact me off-list so I can provide you with the
necessary details for accessing the server?</p>
<p>tobias scnr ch</p>
<p>… I love google - but not that much :-)</p>
<p>Tobias</p>
<p>-- E = m * c<sup>2</sup> +/- 3db</p></div>tobias